Donald Trump sat down with Joe Rogan on Friday to record a three-hour interview for the podcast “The Joe Rogan Experience.” The episode was later released Friday evening.

In the wide-ranging discussion, Trump said his biggest mistake during his time in the White House was hiring “bad people or disloyal people.” The former president also repeated baseless claims that the 2020 election was “rigged” — but when Rogan asked him if he would release evidence showing the election was “stolen,” Trump changed the subject.

Rogan asked Trump if the ex-president had made “poor choices” in appointing White House officials. Trump, after boasting about his Supreme Court nominees, acknowledged that “the biggest mistake I made” was: “I picked some people I shouldn’t have picked.” Rogan asked if Trump was referring to “neocons,” to which Trump replied, “Yes, neocons, or bad people, or disloyal people.”

In this context, Trump mentioned two former members of his administration: John Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general who had been Trump’s chief of staff, and John Bolton, his national security adviser – both of whom have sharply criticized Trump and the dangers he poses . Kelly and Bolton are among many former Trump officials who have become highly critical of the ex-president since serving under him. In an interview with the New York Times this week, Kelly said Trump met the definition of a fascist and had no understanding of the Constitution — confirming earlier reports that Trump made admiring statements about Adolf Hitler.

In the interview with Rogan, Trump called Kelly “a bully but a weak person” and said he is “evil” while discrediting Bolton as “an idiot.”

Rogan pressed Trump over the former president’s claims “that you were robbed in 2020,” when Trump was defeated by Joe Biden in the US presidential election.

“What makes you think you got robbed?” Rogan wondered, according to Mediaite’s summary of the exchange. Trump said: “That election was so crooked, it was the most crooked election.” Rogan asked for some examples. Trump responded: “Let’s start, let’s start at the top and the easiest. They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and in many cases they didn’t get it, they didn’t get it.” Rogan wanted to know what “legislative approval” he was talking about. Trump continued: “Like for voting extensions, for early voting. All these different things. By law, they had to get regulatory approval. You don’t have to go further than that. If you look at Wisconsin, they basically admitted that the election was rigged, robbed and stolen. They would not allow access to ballots in certain areas because the ballots were not signed. They weren’t originals. They were – we could go into this. We could go to the ballots, or we could go to the general.

Rogan then asked Trump, “Are you ever going to present this?” Trump seemingly ignored the question and instead brought up the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was first reported by the New York Post just before the 2020 election. In a letter signed by 51 former intelligence officials at the time of the publication of the first story, stated that “they believed that the contents of the laptop – full of evidence of drug use, prostitution and foreign business deals – could be part of a Russian campaign aimed at influencing the election,” the reported New York Times. However, the laptop did indeed belong to Hunter Biden. During Rogan’s show, Trump repeated unsubstantiated claims from the Republican Party that doubts about the laptop’s authenticity had somehow helped elect President Biden.

Rogan and Trump talked about a number of topics. Rogan claimed that “the rebels are now Republicans” and called the conservatives “punk rock,” while “the liberals now favor silencing criticism.” They are for censorship. They talk about regulating freedom of speech. They are bananas to look at.” Trump responded, “They are coming after their political opponents. They did something that is only done in third world countries.” Trump added, without providing any supporting evidence: “I could have put corrupt Hillary (Clinton) in jail.”

Additionally, Rogan asked Trump if he is “fully committed” to the nomination of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in his government. In August, Kennedy suspended his independent presidential campaign and endorsed Trump. Trump responded: “Oh, I totally am. But the one thing I want to be a little careful about with him is the environment. Because he doesn’t like oil. I love oil and gas.”

The full episode of ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ with Trump is available on YouTube and Spotify.

In a post on X, Rogan said the YouTube upload had been temporarily suspended after a technical issue delayed the episode’s distribution on Spotify. “There is no problem with YouTube censoring the Trump episode,” Rogan wrote. “It was meant to go live on both Spotify and YouTube at the same time and there was a glitch in Spotify’s upload system so we removed the YouTube link until the issue was resolved. It should be fine now.”